2005 Cashmere Thunderbird Value in 2020

PrettyInCashmere

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The Cashmere's tend to sell well. With your mileage (about 1/2 mine) the above mentioned asking seems realistic ...
"tops" as mentioned above would be accurate I think for "asking" price
Good luck - these cashmere's are pretty girls
 
My 2005 Cashmere has almost 110,000, I am not sure what it is worth or what KB says it is worth. I found one I could afford in the shape I wanted and purchased it. I guess my complaint is not perceived value but the fact that Ford did not build these cars as well as they could have. A standard 5.0 engine, 6 speed auto and add several upgrades like a computer that gives mpg info and all the items mid to high end 2005 cars have. These T Birds should have been engineered to be a top quality innovative auto.
 
Ignoring Kelly Bluebook, what's the value of an Mint 2005 Cashmere Thunderbird with 45k miles with Hardtop, new tires, new plugs and coils, no accidents? These cars are worth more than the listed book value.
I have car #2 of the 1500 and I had a professional appraisal done on the car. It was appraised at $40,500. My second cashmere, #593 was appraised at $24,500. #2 has only 32K miles and is in great shape. #593 has 63K miles.
 
I have car #2 of the 1500 and I had a professional appraisal done on the car. It was appraised at $40,500. My second cashmere, #593 was appraised at $24,500. #2 has only 32K miles and is in great shape. #593 has 63K miles.
If you sell and get those prices that your appraiser quoted you, please let us know. It will give us some hope!
 
Thank you all for your input, I'm still up in the air regarding pricing, Also now isn't a good time to sell anything because this nasty virus issue.
When I decide to put up for sale I'll post it here.
Everyone be well.
 

biddle

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Cars for sale or discussion of cars for sale goes in the cars for sale forum. Topic moved.
 
Thank you all for your input, I'm still up in the air regarding pricing, Also now isn't a good time to sell anything because this nasty virus issue.
When I decide to put up for sale I'll post it here.
Everyone be well.
From the looks of your photo, It looks like you are in NY State somewhere.. Very Pretty Bird.. I'm not sure I am prepared to add another to our 02 Torch Red one..
 
Having sold cars my whole life ,I have found asking price and appraisal pricing and finding someone who will buy for that price are not always in synch. Remember it's only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.
 
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Having sold cars my whole life ,I have found asking price and appraisal pricing and finding someone who will buy for that price are not always in cinc. Remember it's only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.
I Agree, I'm in no rush. It's one of those cars were someone will see it in person, fall in love with it and buy it, I think.
 

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I have car #2 of the 1500 and I had a professional appraisal done, It was appraised at $40,500.
Appraisal for what purpose?
I have car #2 of the 1500 and I had a professional appraisal done on the car. It was appraised at $40,500.
There's no chance that car would ever bring 40 grand. Show me one 2002-2005 that recently sold for more than 25,000. Most of the sold listings on ebay are for under 10 grand and a couple at 13-14k. A 2005 Ford Thunderbird 2dr Convertible 50th Anniversary with only 1,850 original miles sold for 25,000 on Ebay. Had nothing to do with the color, it's the miles. A 2004 also sold for 25,000 on BAT. The fact the two cars have less than 2,000 miles is the only reason they brought that much money. Frankly, I still think 25,000 is too much, but as @BillM said, it's all about what someone will pay. That car got a premium because it is practically brand new.
Your car has 32,000 miles on it, so you would get whatever market value is, which is well under 20,000. Frankly, I think it's hilarious that a "professional appraiser" can claim a car is worth 40 grand when one sold on an international selling platform for 25,000 that is practically brand new. Please note, that this car actually sold. As Rick Harrison of Pawn Stars constantly explains to people, just because someone lists something online doesn't mean it's worth that much. You have to look at completed auctions like this one below.
Also, it doesn't really matter "how rare" the car is either, I.E. only 20 were made with those options, etc.

Would also like to point out that a rare 1999 prototype car also sold for 25,000-
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There are dozens of sites that can tell you what your car is "worth" and most of them are wrong. I never use KBB or Edmunds, they're way off. The official guide to car value is NADA. All dealerships use NADA and that is what they go by. To fully appraise a car, they also use the Black Book...which is off limits to everyone except dealerships.
Too often, people give their cars more value than it really has. Retail value applies when the car is on the lot for sale; once sold the car is now rated by wholesale value which is what causes that "instant depreciation."
 

biddle

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I never use KBB or Edmunds, they're way off. The official guide to car value is NADA. All dealerships use NADA and that is what they go by. To fully appraise a car, they also use the Black Book...which is off limits to everyone except dealerships.
This sounds like what a car salesman says to justify giving someone less for a car. KBB still gives you a rough idea of what your car is worth, it's not like there is going to be 5,000 difference between NADA and KBB. Most of the guides dealerships use are showing what the cars are selling for at auctions in their market, i.e. southeast. Regardless, all the book values are just a guideline. I'm sure not many 2002-05 Thunderbird run through auctions now.
 
I have car #2 of the 1500 and I had a professional appraisal done on the car. It was appraised at $40,500. My second cashmere, #593 was appraised at $24,500. #2 has only 32K miles and is in great shape. #593 has 63K miles.
Are you saying that it’s #2 by the VIN or by the glovebox number? Glovebox numbers are well known for being out of order.
 
Appraisal for what purpose?

There's no chance that car would ever bring 40 grand. Show me one 2002-2005 that recently sold for more than 25,000. Most of the sold listings on ebay are for under 10 grand and a couple at 13-14k. A 2005 Ford Thunderbird 2dr Convertible 50th Anniversary with only 1,850 original miles sold for 25,000 on Ebay. Had nothing to do with the color, it's the miles. A 2004 also sold for 25,000 on BAT. The fact the two cars have less than 2,000 miles is the only reason they brought that much money. Frankly, I still think 25,000 is too much, but as @BillM said, it's all about what someone will pay. That car got a premium because it is practically brand new.
Your car has 32,000 miles on it, so you would get whatever market value is, which is well under 20,000. Frankly, I think it's hilarious that a "professional appraiser" can claim a car is worth 40 grand when one sold on an international selling platform for 25,000 that is practically brand new. Please note, that this car actually sold. As Rick Harrison of Pawn Stars constantly explains to people, just because someone lists something online doesn't mean it's worth that much. You have to look at completed auctions like this one below.
Also, it doesn't really matter "how rare" the car is either, I.E. only 20 were made with those options, etc.

Would also like to point out that a rare 1999 prototype car also sold for 25,000-
One perfect afternoon I lost all braking on the Tail of the Dragon at serious speed and quickly realized I had aged out of TVRs. I sold my last one in a few days on eBay and I started a Thunderbird hunt. Even as particular as I am I found some I should have bought at very reasonable prices over the years including a number of PCRs, one Neiman Marcus and a few 2005 Cashmere Editions. It was locating a low mileage Inca and having it sold before I could manage getting a rental car down to the dealership that sucked the fun out that hunt.

About two decades ago my kid counted up the special interest cars I had owned. It was more than fifty including three Sports Roadsters and quite a number of cars whose total production numbers were in the low three digits (all colors and options combined). Now that there is more than shelves of skinny old Hemmings magazines to refer to, it takes months me to get a feel for a car and its value. I seek out lots of knowledge and spend lots of time. I am not an amateur in this world of special interest autos and their values.

Never before have I encountered a car with a higher divergence in perceived value and actual real world selling prices than with the 2002-2005 Thunderbird. Nor have I ever seen cars which remain on the market without selling for as long as these often do. What immediately comes to mind was when I made a market based offer on a nice one in a common color combination that was rejected and referred to as "low ball". My offer was backed by dozens of single spaced pages of listings and auction results showing asking prices, selling prices when available and other details I had compiled. The asking price and perceived value was derived from ........ what someone said someone asked for one on eBay once ?....a maybe faked auction that was never completed? What it should be worth?

In setting my asking prices I refer to everything I can including all value sites, all advertised prices and actual eBay selling prices of completed auctions. Asking prices, failed and faked auctions often do not reflect reality. Actual completed auctions represent buyers and sellers who have agreed upon a value. Asking prices are one sided. Appraisals can be whatever you choose them to be to serve whatever conflicting purpose those who request the appraisal has.

As much as I wished it was otherwise, the low mileage Chrysler 440 powered Jensen Interceptor I owned was not worth as much as a modest Road Runner with the same engine despite its being closer in quality to Rolls Royce. Mine sold to the first person who came out see it being properly if painfully priced.
Production numbers of Thunderbirds are not that small. There are comparable values to be found. Do some work. Be alert to the fact if the car is in other ways attractive without modifications and in the right location the asking price is a veritable that can be addressed if the car is not selling in a reasonable time.

But then if you own it, you price it. No one can tell an owner what their car is worth but the owner themselves. Unless you are really wanting to sell.
 
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