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Another article on the T- Bird

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Feature Report
T-Bird Redux Undone
01 May 03
Matt Joesp

"We have always planned to build it for four model years, and that's what we are going to do. It would be wrong to keep building it and erode its value. It's a collectors [sic] vehicle."

Ford Division President, Steve Lyons, announcing that Ford would stop making the new Thunderbird in 2005 or 2006

Quoted from an interview with the Detroit News, 4-22-03

It never ceases to amaze me, the penchant that some political and industrial leaders have for enhancing their failures by dissembling ridiculous explanations to avoid blame for the bad situations hatched by their blunders.

I am absolutely certain that the reasons for ending production of Ford's failing new Thunderbird, after one model iteration, have entirely nothing to do with "doing the right thing" by car collectors, to prevent the erosion of the values of their collector car investments.

Or is that why Lincoln built the short-lived and ill-fated Blackwood? Was that marketing disaster intended to create instant collector cars? Get serious….

The day that a top official of a major car company earnestly entertains such a consideration is the day that its shareholders have some responsibility to come after him or her, mumbling by torchlight and brandishing hatchets and burlap bags.

A more plausible reason for ceasing production of the new T-Bird, after only four or five years, may be that it is selling way below expectations.

Inventories this year have bulged as high as a 183-day supply, and now stand around 130-days. That is more than two times the "ideal" 55-day supply, and despite Ford applying large cash incentives to coax consumers to buy the Bird.

Attempted exculpatory fictions aside, there are three reasons that the new Thunderbird is failing in the marketplace. Almost all "retro cars" enjoy very short half-lives of success. Besides, the new Thunderbird is far from a great car, and its recent marketing was botched. That one-two-three punch is proving fatal.

Around the turn-of-the-millennium, some form of bizarre corporate vanity seems to have overcome common sense and experience, causing car company executives to approve the production of numerous retro cars that hearken back to vehicles or themes from their companies' salad days.

At or near the turn-of-this-century, the New Beetle, Audi TT, PT-Cruiser, new Mini and new Ford Thunderbird tumbled out of this retro car-new-copia.

With the exception of the PT-Cruiser and the new Mini, each of these has failed badly enough in the marketplace that none of them is likely see a second generation.

Consider the present state of things.

The Puebla, Mexico line that builds the New Beetle is shut down, due to what is rapidly becoming chronic excess inventory.

The T-Bird is in serious oversupply, and will engender a second iteration.

Audi's Bauhaus-inspired TT is in huge supply, and now requires heavy incentives to sell. TT is unlikely to see a revision.

Only the PT-Cruiser and new Mini have avoided market failure, to date. While PT-Cruiser sales have cooled, they remain respectable. The new Mini is too new on the market to predict its sales durability.

Two conclusions flow from this. The less expensive a mass-produced retro car is, the better seem its chances of success. PT-Cruiser and new Mini are low on the automotive price scale, while TT and Thunderbird are upscale.

The New Beetle is such a wretched automobile that even its low price cannot save it.

Its very concept, building a front-engine, front-wheel-drive, liquid-cooled automobile to do homage to a rear-engine, rear-wheel-drive, air-cooled car openly assaults sensitivity, not to mention defying reason.

Retro cars are a fad market. They are not "hot, gotta have" products for very long after arrival. Each one assumes center stage under the hot white spotlight of fame and impulse buying. After six months, or so, it is pushed off the stage to cool, and the next retro car arrives under that white, center stage spotlight.

Despite the apparent love that auto company executives have for building retro cars, the market reality is that relatively few car buyers want to express themselves that way. When you mass produce the things, you tend, quickly, to saturate the market for them. Pretty soon, everyone who wanted and could afford one has taken the plunge.

The second coming of the Thunderbird suffered from all of those structural marketing problems, introduction in a weakening economy and added a few issues of its own.

It is terribly cramped inside. That is a serious concern, since at between $35,000 and $40,000, it is designed to appeal to well-heeled baby boomers. The problem is, many in that now affluent group are well-girthed, in addition to being well-heeled.

Then there was a production botch which delayed T-Bird's new, electronic throttle engine by months. Reviewers noted that the early new T-Birds were deficient in off-the-mark performance.

Ford remedied that with a 10% torque and power upgrade for 2003. But delays in producing the improved engine created a glut of '02s last fall and winter, when people were demanding the improved '03s. That tarnished T-Bird's image as a "hot item," and resulted in Ford putting incentives on the car. That further degraded its image.

However, in the best tradition of car company hyperbole, after announcing the 2005 or 2006 demise of the new T-Bird, Ford Division President, Steve Lyons, promises, "We could bring it back."

Against which I advise, and to which I add, "Give it a (very long) rest."

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bad attitude

I'm glad they think it's a bad deal.

The point they're missing is that the t-bird is targeted for a market niche whose size is greatly influneced by the health of the economy.

If I had room, I'd buy another one
 
Ford April sales numbers

Due to lenght cut most of the Europe models or tried too.
Didn't think too many would be interested



Friday, May 02, 2003


FORD MOTOR COMPANY REPORTS APRIL U.S. SALES

Ford Expedition and Lincoln Navigator pace Ford's record-setting SUV sales; Mustang stampede results from historic $5 a day lease program
Volvo and Land Rover set new April sales records
Ford raises second quarter production plan 10,000 vehicles to 990,000 cars and trucks
Ford's O'Connor is encouraged by higher consumer confidence readings - enhances prospects consumer spending will improve in the second half.

DEARBORN, Mich., May 1 - U.S. customers purchased or leased 298,037 cars and trucks from Ford, Mercury, Lincoln, Jaguar, Volvo, and Land Rover dealers in April, down 2.9 percent compared with a year ago. Year-to-date, the company's sales were 1.1 million, down 2.3 percent compared with the same period a year ago.

The all-new Ford Expedition and Lincoln Navigator, which debuted in June 2002, paced the company to a new April SUV sales record. Expedition sales were 17,827 (up 80 percent compared with a year ago) and Navigator sales were 3,282 (up 79 percent). Two more new SUVs, Lincoln Aviator and Volvo XC90, helped increase the company's total SUV sales to 78,221, eclipsing the previous April record (70,766) set in 2001.

Ford Mustang had its best sales month since October 2001 as 17,412 customers stampeded to Ford dealers and saddled up America's legendary pony car, enticed by an historic offer on the eve of Ford's centennial. Mustang sales were 32 percent higher than a year ago.

"Mustang fever was elevated higher than we expected," said Jim O'Connor, Ford Group Vice President, North America Marketing, Sales and Service. "Extending the $5 a day lease offer was one of the easiest decisions we've ever made." The special centennial $5 a day lease on Mustang and Ranger, America's best-selling compact pickup, has been extended to June 16.

Volvo dealers reported record April sales of 10,895, up 21 percent from a year ago. April was the sixth month in a row of higher sales at Volvo - a streak that started with the introduction of the XC90, the award-winning sport utility vehicle. XC90 sales (2,263) were limited by availability (16 days' supply at the beginning of April).

Land Rover dealers also reported record April sales of 2,916, up 5 percent from a year ago, reflecting higher sales of the all-new Range Rover, the flagship of Land Rover's fleet. April was the second month in a row of record Land Rover sales.

Lincoln sales rose 15 percent from a year ago on the strength of record SUV sales. Aviator and Navigator combined for April sales of 5,745, nearly tripling last year's sales for Navigator alone and the highest SUV sales ever delivered by the Lincoln franchise in a single month.

Ford, America's best-selling brand of cars and trucks, posted April sales of 251,186, down 2.6 percent from a year ago. Mercury sales were 16,320, down 21 percent from a year ago.

The company revised its second quarter North American production plan upward by 10,000 units (5,000 cars and 5,000 trucks) in response to higher than expected demand for the Mustang (Dearborn Assembly Plant) and Expedition and Navigator (Michigan Truck Plant). The company now plans to produce 990,000 vehicles in the second quarter (320,000 cars and 670,000 trucks).

"We're encouraged by higher consumer confidence readings," O'Connor said. "A more confident consumer enhances the prospect that consumer spending will improve in the second half of the year."


FORD MOTOR COMPANY APRIL 2003 U.S. SALES



April Month
%
April CYTD%

Contact: George Pipas, Ford Motor Company, (313) 323-9216


FORD BRAND APRIL 2003 U.S. SALES



April Month
%
April CYTD
%

2003
2002
Change
2003
2002
Change
9.4

Thunderbird
1,635
2,173
-24.8
5,700
7,390
-22.9

Mustang
17,412
13,192
32.0
48,677
45,006
8.2

Escort
2,068
6,699
-69.1
9,273
22,003
-57.9

Total Ford Cars
75,282
76,012
-1.0
283,919
275,227
3.2


Escape
11,940
12,659
-5.7
47,998
42,623
12.6

Explorer
30,188
33,493
-9.9
111,778
123,430
-9.4

Expedition
17,827
9,888
80.3
53,475
46,459
15.1

Excursion
2,022
2,699
-25.1
7,389
10,724
-31.1

Econoline/Club Wagon
15,820
16,990
-6.9
54,964
52,645
4.4

Windstar
10,745
13,605
-21.0
45,989
49,278
-6.7

Ranger
17,862
19,374
-7.8
73,694
74,162
-0.6

F-Series
68,999
72,414
-4.7
252,543
270,184
-6.5

Heavy Trucks
501
648
-22.7
1,754
2,395
-26.8

Total Ford Trucks
175,904
181,770
-3.2
649,584
671,900
-3.3


Total Ford Brand
251,186
257,782
-2.6
933,503
947,127
-1.4


Contact: Karen Hampton, Ford Division, (313) 323-7045


LINCOLN AND MERCURY BRAND APRIL 2003 U.S. SALES



April Month
%
April CYTD
%

2003
2002
Change
2003
2002
Change


Grand Marquis
7,227
5,304
36.3
27,455
22,942
19.7

Sable
5,554
9,276
-40.1
21,262
29,188
-27.2

Cougar
0
1,233
-100.0
2,024
4,492
-54.9

Total Mercury Cars
12,781
15,813
-19.2
50,741
56,622
-10.4


Town Car
4,172
4,772
-12.6
17,473
18,566
-5.9

LS
3,011
3,433
-12.3
10,961
12,807
-14.4

Continental
0
1,090
-100.0
280
4,574
-93.9

Total Lincoln Cars
7,183
9,295
-22.7
28,714
35,947
-20.1


Total Mercury

and Lincoln Cars
19,964
25,108
-20.5
79,455
92,569
-14.2


Mountaineer
3,539
3,432
3.1
13,325
14,383
-7.4

Villager
0
1,523
-100.0
0
5,047
-100.0

Total Mercury Trucks
3,539
4,955
-28.6
13,325
19,430
-31.4


Navigator
3,282
1,834
79.0
10,426
8,692
19.9

Aviator
2,463
NA
NA
7,396
NA
NA

Blackwood
0
127
-100.0
153
539
-71.6

Total Lincoln Trucks
5,745
1,961
193.0
17,975
9,231
94.7


Total Mercury

and Lincoln Trucks
9,284
6,916
34.2
31,300
28,661
9.2


Total Mercury

and Lincoln Vehicles
29,248
32,024
-8.7
110,755
121,230
-8.6


Total Lincoln Brand
12,928
11,256
14.9
46,689
45,178
3.3

Total Mercury Brand
16,320
20,768
-21.4
64,066
76,052
-15.8


Contact: Dan Bedore, Lincoln and Mercury, (313) 594-3744



JAGUAR BRAND APRIL 2003 U.S. SALES


April Month
%
April CYTD
%

2003
2002
Change
2003
2002
Change

XJ
387
951
-59.3
1,456
2,793
-47.9

S-TYPE
1,102
1,004
9.8
4,577
4,574
0.1

X-TYPE
2,037
3,084
-33.9
7,677
13,210
-41.9

XK
266
402
-33.8
939
1,253
-25.1

Total Jaguar
3,792
5,441
-30.3
14,649
21,830
-32.9


Contact: Rosemary Mariniello, Aston Martin Jaguar Land Rover North America, (201) 818-8010



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Media Information Center: email Media@ford.com
© Ford Motor Company 1998-2002.
 
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Can't find it right now

Saw a post where the number of 03 T-birds currently
is around 10,000 or around 500 cars a week. This
should give an idea of how 03 will stack up.

It may have been on this board someplace.
 
The annual Thunderbird sales have but only one way to go and thats down. But that is exactly what Ford anticipated. This is a niche vehicle. There are only so many 2 seat roadster buyers out there. Even if the car ran like a Ferrari, was as comfortable as a Rolls, and handled like a Formula 1 race car the sales numbers would be pretty close to the same. No matter who the builder is, its just not a practicle car for most. History repeats itself. In 1955 Thunderbird beat all of Fords estimates and sold over 16,000 units. In 56 the numbers dropped, Then in 57 Ford decided it would be the last year for the 2 seater.
Ford anticipated exactly this senario. Had they not, their target would not have been only 25,000 units a year for the 2002 & up models. From its introduction it was stated that the car would only have a 4 to 6 year run. Now everybody that is spouting off that Ford built a dud just doesn't know what they are talking about. Sales are right in line with the prediction & history. I for one being an empty nester Baby Boomer thouroghly enjoy the car and have never second guessed my purchase. In fact I plan on buying an 05 supercharged 4.0L T-Bird also. Twenty years down the road I will sell them as a pair and not individually. Having the 942nd one built and one of the last built.

I also have yet to find my first problem with mine. Took delivery on 10-9-01 and every feature has worked flawlessly. Nobody but nobody's complaints, rundowns, etc will ever change my mind. This is a car that fits perfectly in my wife's and my life. Granted it is not our daily driver and it never was intended to be. We enjoy the weekends, cruises, and shows with it. But if I ever came upon hard times and had to sell a few other vehicles and make the T-Bird my daily driver, I'm confident it would be up to the challenge.
 
There were some that thought the 03's would never see
past 10,000. It has exceeded that so still doing fairly
well for a niche car.

Racerroger may be right, the first could have had more
quality control than latter models. They held quite a
back. Our biggest problem has been the top but
seldom drive the car so it hasn't been a have to
get corrected deal. If can find a hoist the hardtop will
be back on.

The articles are interesting to see the different takes
writers have on the car.
 
reality check

Lets face it folks. There are a lot more people in the US today than there were in 1955-57 meaning less birds per capita today.

The fact that sales are not much higher now than then means a
thunderbird of greater rarity.

Rarity aside, I have not personally met anyone who dose not think the car is a work of art and would buy one too if they could.

Malcontents are always speaking without thinking and usually have a hideen reason for cutting down what the can't get.

cheers!
 
May numbers

It looks like they finally managed to get the t-bird out
of negative numbers, selling about 200+ cars more
than last may. Guess the 0% and all the special plans
helped move some of them. YTD is still off 14%.

How do they read the YTD, from May 02 to May 03
if so only 8087 03's have been made. Some have
said vin's over 10.000. Could these number still
be showing sales of 02's. The local dealer still
has a least 3 in front.






FORD MOTOR COMPANY REPORTS MAY U.S. SALES





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FORD MOTOR COMPANY MAY 2003 U.S. SALES





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Contact: George Pipas, Ford Motor Company, (313) 323-9216


FORD BRAND MAY 2003 U.S. SALES



May Month
%
May CYTD
%

2003
2002
Change
2003
2002
Change


Crown Victoria
8,083
6,518
24.0
35,682
34,172
4.4

Taurus
26,131
32,292
-19.1
140,494
133,892
4.9

Focus
22,636
23,289
-2.8
100,943
94,863
6.4

Thunderbird
Thunderbird
2,387- 2003
2,034 - 2002
17.4
8,087 CYTD 2003 model
9,424 CYTD 2002 model
-14.2
 
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They can rant an rave all they like. I love it and would buy it again in the blink of an eye.

This Bird is destined to be as great a classic as the first😀
 
When see these figures what one is not sure about is how
the spin doctors are reflecting the numbers. Does
sales actually mean sold to an individual, sold to a
dealership, or just what went out the door that month.

From other comments the extra 200+ cars for this
May from last, may mean they produced more, not
anymore sales. How are they reflecting the 2002
that many dealers are just now managing to sell.
 
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