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Need to replace 1964 1965 1966 shifter detent plate and cover

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Has anyone seen a good how to on replacing a detent plate and shifter lever cover on a 65 bird?

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I have figured out how to do this but I can’t get the bearing off the steering column. That needs to come out before the initial hub can come off

Did you go at it by lowering the steering column in the engine bay or from the top side inside the car? I took off the steering wheel but can't get past the turn signal cancel device.
 
I use Pat Wilson Thunderbird, but ask for Doug. Now the only other suggestion is to ask Doug about the bushing replacement that is inside the engine compartment that keeps the selector and steering column aligned. They need to be replaced together or the dentent plate will wear out again.
 
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I use Pat Wilson Thunderbird, but ask for Doug. Now the only other suggestion is to ask Doug about the bushing replacement that is inside the engine compartment that keeps the selector and steering column aligned. They need to be replaced together or the dentent plate will wear out again.

I got the shift selector cover and the detent plate off. Had to pull the bearing from the steering shaft and it was a bear to get out. The reason it is so difficult is that it is splined on the column shaft. I had to pry it out from behind with small bent prybars. Don’t take the nuts all the way off on the hub that holds the shift lever cover onto it. They will fall down the column shaft. Best to loosen them and stick a screwdriver to the side and press in and this will release the square headed bolts holding on to the inner metal column. With the bearing out the cover will come off and you can replace the shift lever indicator. While I had it out i replaced the dent plate as well.
 
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One last thought, to get the bearing off the shaft you can use a rubber hammer and after removing the rubber bearing ring by prying it out with a screwdriver there will be play in the bearing and the shaft. With a rubber hammer pound on the shaft and it will force the bearing up. Works for me. Nothing else works from prying behind the bearing.
 
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Hi there,

So I'm on the tail end of a 1.5 year overall on my 65' Thunderbird. One of the last things that I wanted to replace/update was the shift indicator on the column. I have the steering wheel removed as well as all the screws on the shift cam but am having issues past this point. I found this older thread https://forums.fordthunderbirdforum...965-1966-shifter-detent-plate-and-cover.6158/ but I was hoping to get more info before pushing and prying more and possibly breaking something.

I'm getting some movement on the center part when trying to pry it off but I'm unsure if there's something other than this bearing holding it back. The previous thread says to pry it off but that itself seems to be quite difficult with little room. Possibly wedge something in there to knock the bearing out but would the center cap that the indicator is on even clear the shaft that the wheel connects too? I'm pouring all over the internets and am finding little to no info. I went through the manual too but that seems to be more of a break down of what parts are there then any info on how to get the center part off to replace the shift indicator. Unfortunately the old one on there that was already fragile shattered so now I have to get this to work!

Appreciate any info. Of all the things I've done on this I have to say this has proven to be the most difficult!

Joseph
 

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Replacing the 1961 to 1963 Shift Detent and Shift Lever
This procedure includes replacing the shift lever and detent. Save yourself a lot of trouble and replace them both at the same time. In my case, the shift lever was the cause of my problem. The Squarebird article also doesn't mention any snafus that you might run into, of which I ran into several. Below you can see my shifter is ready to jump into reverse and the car won't start unless I press up on the shifter.​
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Remove the nut with a 15/16" socket and 6" extension. Notice shaft is already scribed.​
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The bolts to use for the puller are 5/16"-24. The steering wheel comes off with minimal effort.​
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Pull the horn contact out and the two drive indicator plate screws and set them aside with all your other parts. You'll have a lot of small stuff to keep track of. I used a magnetic tray.​
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I used a 3/16" ignition wrench to remove the turn signal lever to avoid damaging it. A small crescent wrench will probably also work if you don’t have an ignition wrench. It is not difficult to remove.​
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This was the first problem I ran into. There was no slack in the horn wire. After pondering for awhile, I looked for the blue/yellow stripe wire at the base of the steering column. While pushing on it a bit to give it slack, I gently pulled the wire until I had enough slack to work.​
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This design is slightly different than the Squarebird's. The canceller is retained by a horseshoe nut and spring on a small nylon shaft. Slide the nut off very carefully, keeping a finger on the post to prevent the spring from flying into oblivion. This will be the most confounding part of the whole procedure. Reassembly was next to impossible for me, however after loosing and re-finding the parts multiple times, I finally got it back together. Now the nut at 5 o'clock is visible. Don't remove it yet though, and actually leave the one at 10 o'clock in for now because there was another surprise.​
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The next difference I found was this snap ring on the steering shaft. I had a pair of snap-ring pliers, but is still proved challenging to remove. It goes back on with no problem.​
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Remove the cover panel with a tape covered screwdriver. Remove the three screws holding the shift indicator light and black background piece in place. Pull the black background piece out from the front and set the light aside.​
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It's easy to smudge up, but I cleaned it with a little denatured alcohol before reinstalling it. Window cleaner would also safely clean it.​
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Finally, the detent plate and shift lever are in sight. Notice one of the black retaining bolts in the steering column. This was addressed in the Squarebird article, but I'll discuss it again as it proves tricky during installation​
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The spring and nut was frustrating enough, now this pin retaining the shift lever has to come out without destroying anything, I moved the shifter to low and drove it out with a large nailset. It took a lot of force to get it going, but once it started moving it slid out without too much force. Nevertheless, it was nerve racking.​
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To remove the shifter, rotate it 90 degrees down to free it from the rear pressure pin. It then pulls out easily. Just reverse the process when installing the new shifter. Driving the pin back in is also a challenge, but goes in with some powerful but careful hammering with a centerpunch.​
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Old and new. The repros both look improved in design.​
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Here is the problem. The edge has chamfered on the shift lever. This thing was a time-bomb.​
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During reassembly, put the retaining bolts in the back, then in the front, thread the nuts on a couple turns. Then, using a thumb on each nut, push them outward until the whole assembly snaps back into place and the square bolt heads are engaged in the slots shown at right.​
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Now, once you get that spring back on, you're home-free with a nice tight shifter. It's actually in park now and feels like it will stay there.​
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Here's where I got today. I was able to remove the retaining ring and get a better view of what I need to do. There are a few issues present though. The first is that the turn signal cam and wiring doesn't seem like it has any slack in the wires for me to pull it more. The second is still the actual bearing itself. I tried getting a small screw driver on either side after hitting it with PB Blaster and trying to pry it out. The started damaging the outside steering up so I stopped. I then tried to pry it from behind but that was just against the metal cup vs being able to grab the bearing itself.

The previous article I had posted someone mentioned hitting it from behind but I can't see how that's possible since I can't pull it out enough to get any clearance for any other tool. At least I'm making small headway. I did speak to someone at Pat Wilson's Thunderbird and he said that the bearing should come out with screwdrivers. Anyone else here have any specific instructions or experience with this? It looks like I'm going to order the replacement kit from Wilson's tomorrow that has a new bearin, detent, and more. Attaching some pics of where I got today.

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When changing out a 65 shift lever, does the replacement lever available from Tbird part houses closely duplicate the specs of the original or can there be enough of an off spec dimension in the replacement lever to necessitate changing out the detent also?
I’ve seen comments noting the detents generally don’t need replacing due to the difference in a harder detent metal.
Will the newer replacement levers, though, occasionally not fit into the old detent notching?
Thanks for any comments or experiences with this…
Tim
 
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