2003 AC clutch issue

keiththarp
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1963
I have an 03 that has given me AC issues since I purchased it in April. The AC clutch seems to be short cycling. When the clutch is engaged, the air coming out of the vents is cold. But it only last a few seconds and the clutch kicks out. Then the air seems stale until the clutch kicks back on for a few more seconds. When I turn on the recirculation, it helps but still short cycles. I have replaced the AC compressor and the pressure switch. The refrigerant is correct (checked with gauges). What am I missing? I live in Texas to summer has been toasty. I'm ready for fall!
 

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I had a similar experience with my 05 mustang and it was the engine coolant system that was causing my problem. When I was driving highway speed everything was OK but when I was stopped at a light the AC would start to blow warm air. I finally noticed while I was waiting for a train that if I reved the engine it would blow cold air again and the temp gauge would come down. It was a long time ago and I don't remember exactly what the resolution was. I'm thinking that they replaced the themostat and the thermostat housing and flushed the radiator.
 
Thanks John, I forgot to say that I replaced the thermostat and housing as well. That actually was a secondary issue.... Long story. The short cycling happens sitting still or going at highway speeds.
 
The first thing you should do is an A/C module diagnosis. There are 2 self-tests: On-demand Diagnostic Trouble Codes and Continuous Diagnostic Trouble Codes.
On-demand Diagnostic Trouble Codes

Front Panel Dual Automatic Temperature Control (DATC) Module Self-Test (On-demand Diagnostic Trouble Codes — DTCs)

On-demand DTCs are those that are reported by an ECU when a failure is detected while executing a diagnostic test. For the DATC module this means that all faults (hard) that occur while the module is conducting a self-test shall be reported as an on-demand DTC.

The DATC module self-test will not detect concerns associated with data link messages such as engine coolant temperature or vehicle speed signals. A scan tool must be used to retrieve these concerns.

The vehicle interior temperature should be between 0-32°C (32-90°F) when carrying out the self-test. If the temperatures are not within the specified ranges, false temperature sensor DTCs may be displayed.

The DATC module self-test through the front panel display can be initiated at any time. It is entered by pressing the OFF and DEFROST buttons simultaneously and then pressing the AUTO button within two seconds. Normal operation of the system stops when the self-test is activated.

The DATC module reports individual on-demand DTCs as four-digit DTCs (less the alpha character). Record all DTCs displayed. Follow the diagnostics procedure given in the DTC index for each DTC given.

The DATC module will calibrate all the mode doors and check all analog inputs. The DATC module will only report on-demand (hard) faults that occurred while the DATC module was conducting its self-test.

The DATC module will light all control panel display segments if no faults are detected. The DATC module will report individual on-demand DTCs without the °C symbol lit.

To exit the self-test, press any button. This will clear all on-demand codes from the DATC module memory. If no button is pushed, DTCs will continue to be displayed.

Upon exit from the self-test the DATC module returns to operational status. The DATC module executes a hard (cold boot) reset which places the DATC system in the OFF mode. Always exit the self-test before powering the system down (system turned OFF).

Continuous Diagnostic Trouble Codes

Front Panel DATC Module Display — Retrieve Continuous Diagnostic Trouble Codes

Continuous DTCs are fault codes recorded by the DATC module which have occurred during normal operation. For the DATC module this means that all faults (intermittent or hard) that occur while the module is in an operational state shall be reported as a continuous DTC.

To retrieve continuous DTCs, press the OFF and DEFROST buttons simultaneously, followed by pressing the RECIRC button within two seconds.

The DATC module will report all continuous DTCs to the vacuum fluorescent (VF) display. The DATC module will not carry out a self-test; it will only display continuous faults codes which are stored in memory. All VF display segments will light if no faults are detected.

Individual continuous DTCs will be reported with the °C symbol lit. DTCs shall be reported as a four-digit DTC (less the alpha character).

Pressing the front defrost button will exit the retrieve continuous DTCs mode and clear all continuous DTCs from DATC module memory.

Pressing any other button (other than DEFROST) will exit the retrieve continuous DTCs mode and maintain all continuous DTCs in DATC module memory.

Upon exit from the retrieve continuous DTCs mode the DATC module returns to operational status. The DATC module executes a hard (cold boot) reset which places the DATC system in the OFF mode.

doug7740
1955 Thunderbird Blue

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The first thing you should do is an A/C module diagnosis. There are 2 self-tests: On-demand Diagnostic Trouble Codes and Continuous Diagnostic Trouble Codes.
On-demand Diagnostic Trouble Codes

Front Panel Dual Automatic Temperature Control (DATC) Module Self-Test (On-demand Diagnostic Trouble Codes — DTCs)

On-demand DTCs are those that are reported by an ECU when a failure is detected while executing a diagnostic test. For the DATC module this means that all faults (hard) that occur while the module is conducting a self-test shall be reported as an on-demand DTC.

The DATC module self-test will not detect concerns associated with data link messages such as engine coolant temperature or vehicle speed signals. A scan tool must be used to retrieve these concerns.

The vehicle interior temperature should be between 0-32°C (32-90°F) when carrying out the self-test. If the temperatures are not within the specified ranges, false temperature sensor DTCs may be displayed.

The DATC module self-test through the front panel display can be initiated at any time. It is entered by pressing the OFF and DEFROST buttons simultaneously and then pressing the AUTO button within two seconds. Normal operation of the system stops when the self-test is activated.

The DATC module reports individual on-demand DTCs as four-digit DTCs (less the alpha character). Record all DTCs displayed. Follow the diagnostics procedure given in the DTC index for each DTC given.

The DATC module will calibrate all the mode doors and check all analog inputs. The DATC module will only report on-demand (hard) faults that occurred while the DATC module was conducting its self-test.

The DATC module will light all control panel display segments if no faults are detected. The DATC module will report individual on-demand DTCs without the °C symbol lit.

To exit the self-test, press any button. This will clear all on-demand codes from the DATC module memory. If no button is pushed, DTCs will continue to be displayed.

Upon exit from the self-test the DATC module returns to operational status. The DATC module executes a hard (cold boot) reset which places the DATC system in the OFF mode. Always exit the self-test before powering the system down (system turned OFF).

Continuous Diagnostic Trouble Codes

Front Panel DATC Module Display — Retrieve Continuous Diagnostic Trouble Codes

Continuous DTCs are fault codes recorded by the DATC module which have occurred during normal operation. For the DATC module this means that all faults (intermittent or hard) that occur while the module is in an operational state shall be reported as a continuous DTC.

To retrieve continuous DTCs, press the OFF and DEFROST buttons simultaneously, followed by pressing the RECIRC button within two seconds.

The DATC module will report all continuous DTCs to the vacuum fluorescent (VF) display. The DATC module will not carry out a self-test; it will only display continuous faults codes which are stored in memory. All VF display segments will light if no faults are detected.

Individual continuous DTCs will be reported with the °C symbol lit. DTCs shall be reported as a four-digit DTC (less the alpha character).

Pressing the front defrost button will exit the retrieve continuous DTCs mode and clear all continuous DTCs from DATC module memory.

Pressing any other button (other than DEFROST) will exit the retrieve continuous DTCs mode and maintain all continuous DTCs in DATC module memory.

Upon exit from the retrieve continuous DTCs mode the DATC module returns to operational status. The DATC module executes a hard (cold boot) reset which places the DATC system in the OFF mode.

doug7740
1955 Thunderbird Blue

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I tried the on demand test and it went through the self test and lit up all lights on the display. I understand that to mean “all good”. When I did the continuous test, I could not get it to execute.
 
I'm going to second the temp sensor behind the little grille in the dash instrument cluster. Pop the bezel out, and clean that sensor of all dust and oil that's usually on it. Mine is also a 2003 and a little look down there showed me a horror show of 20 years of dust and grime. There's a couple Youtubers who did videos on cleaning it with a paper towel and a little spit because shops wanted to charged them $1,500 for a nearly complete system redux when the sensor was simply dirty. I have a completely different problem, but I'll post it in a new thread to not muddle up yours.
 
I'm going to second the temp sensor behind the little grille in the dash instrument cluster. Pop the bezel out, and clean that sensor of all dust and oil that's usually on it. Mine is also a 2003 and a little look down there showed me a horror show of 20 years of dust and grime. There's a couple Youtubers who did videos on cleaning it with a paper towel and a little spit because shops wanted to charged them $1,500 for a nearly complete system redux when the sensor was simply dirty. I have a completely different problem, but I'll post it in a new thread to not muddle up yours.
Thanks Sean. I pulled the dash apart this morning and cleaned that sensor. It seems to have helped but not fixed the problem. I went ahead and ordered a new sensor for that and the evaporator (since I saw that one while I was in the dash). Hopefully one of those is the culprit. I will keep you guys updated.
 
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